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Mohawk52 wrote:

Rederoin wrote:

DmonHiro wrote:

For example, I didn't notice that the blood on Ange's dress was the one from her mother the first time I watched. I also didn't notice how extremely nonchalant everyone was about SHOOTING THE QUEEN. Seriously, nobody even batten an eyelash.

They must really, really hate norma scum and those who protect them.

yeah, good thing nothing like that ever happens in the real world. Wink

Whats your point?

I don't understand why people and reviewers here get panic attack whenever there is rape in anime. Even in the episode that had attempt to rape scene in SAO II, had a bad score by reviewer in this website. Is it wrong to portray rape in anime or video games ?

ALso, I don't think this was rape scene, it was more like a forced rectal exam. But even if it is rape, I do not see how that makes the anime bad anyway.

OK, but come ON, the guys who shot the queen didn't even comment on it. It was like "Oops, shot the queen. Oh well..."

ILOVEITToo wrote:

I don't understand why people and reviewers here get panic attack whenever there is rape in anime. Even in the episode that had attempt to rape scene in SAO II, had a bad score by reviewer in this website. Is it wrong to portray rape in anime or video games ?

ALso, I don't think this was rape scene, it was more like a forced rectal exam. But even if it is rape, I do not see how that makes the anime bad anyway.

Perhaps you could try actually reading the reasons people gave for what the show did wrong.

I don't read Crunchyroll review often, but for once...I regret my decision to read them.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/cross-ange-rondo-of-angel-and-dragon/reviews

Here is the "review" that made me spit my tea:

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Okay, I don't understand some people. I don't think people get how difficult it is to have a character who is believable, or a world that is at least partially original anymore AND believable. There are so many generic heroes and heroins. (Especially the latter.) With Fate Zero, SAO, and Code Geass as my fav anime's of all time, I can say that with just the first episode of this anime I was begging for more. It has some 'perv' moments, but frankly I was expecting it to be a lot worse, and when they finally had a moment like that, it had a place, and I can actually say it wasn't vulgar, but quite realistic. (Maybe none of you have been to jail, then? lol) None the less, ignore every nay-sayer, and negative review. Within just 20 mins I was hooked, and no anime has done that since god knows when for me. (And I try the first 1-5 episodes of almost every anime out there that isn't pure loliporn.)

The world is interesting, and actually semi original, despite the 'all female thing' which has done countless times. When Heroes and villains cross the lines and are lost in the grey, that is a 'real' character, and that is just what she is to me.. The first real character I've seen in anything in ages.

I don't ever do reviews, but I thought it was my place to break my silence given all the ignorant negativity that this has gotten. I can't say I know where the story will go, or if it will be even half as interesting and engaging as the first episode, but I am hopeful.

If you didn't appreciate this for its success as a complete opening chapter, then you have bad taste, and expect too much out of 20mins. I have yet to see an anime do anything more than this has in the first episode since the classics... Also what the hell are you expecting watching a Mecha Ecchi anime? Sex sells, get with the times, or go watch a [expletive] shojo. If you were offended by this, I am offended by you, and if you thought this was trash, you are trash. I have to get personal here because I cannot understand the reviews in the slightest. I won't go into too much detail, but I am an author, and english major, fantasy and sci fi, and story/writing, is my biggest passion.

The ONLY negative thing I can agree with was some of the cliches, and badly written dialogue, but I am giving it five stars instead of the four I normally would just to remove some of the bigotry from the reviews.

Seriously...all the problems of this show aside, I have seen plenty English-major students from the schools I attend: two community colleges, UC Berkerly, CalTech; none of them will write nonsense like this.

Never have i been so glad to be told that a series is unavailable in my country as i was after reading the review about this......."series".

I like the show.
As for content I have seen much worse, especially in 80s and 90s anime.

It has been a while since I've seen a show generate such strong opinions.Though to be honest I don't follow anything on ANN all that much anymore,and I usually just skim the reviews.

Norma is a chain of grocery stores from germany.

Laughing

Stuff like Cross Ange makes it next to impossible for me to offer a rebuttal to the "All anime is for weirdos and creepers" people, especially considering the few but extremely vocal fans that shows like it seem to attract. Elfen Lied (which Hope mentioned in her review) is the worst and most intensely misogynistic anime I've ever seen, but I doubt even it could reach the lows of this show. I'm sure there are a few people who will no doubt hold up Cross Ange as a "deep and meaningful masterpiece" in a desperate attempt to prove that it's serious art for serious adults as well.

So far the only shows this season I'm interested in are Parasyte and G-Reco, the latter of which may or may not wind up on the Internet for legal streaming.

There was no rape whatsoever in this episode. She was doing some ad-hoc surgery to add something to Ange's spine. This seems to be a case of people seeing what they want to see (and in this case, wanting to see something that justifies outrage).

I'm starting to wonder if the reviewers are even fans of anime, or if they just do this for the money. They seem suspiciously misinformed about a wide variety of things.

MidoriUma wrote:

There was no rape whatsoever in this episode. She was doing some ad-hoc surgery to add something to Ange's spine. This seems to be a case of people seeing what they want to see (and in this case, wanting to see something that justifies outrage).

We know it's not rape, that's why I referred to it as 'pseudo-rape'. Of course it's not an actual rape scene, that would court unnecessary controversy. It's just a non-rape scene that is shot in a very sexual fashion so creepy otaku can get their jollies and the producers can deflect criticism by going "Well if your dirty mind saw that scene sexually than that's your problem, we have no idea what you're talking about".

If it actually had been a prison rape scene that might have actually been better because then the series would be taking on a serious subject and stepping to morally dangerous territory. Instead it's just trashy. That's what's really tragic about the scene.

Zump wrote:

Stuff like Cross Ange makes it next to impossible for me to offer a rebuttal to the "All anime is for weirdos and creepers" people, especially considering the few but extremely vocal fans that shows like it seem to attract. Elfen Lied (which Hope mentioned in her review) is the worst and most intensely misogynistic anime I've ever seen, but I doubt even it could reach the lows of this show. I'm sure there are a few people who will no doubt hold up Cross Ange as a "deep and meaningful masterpiece" in a desperate attempt to prove that it's serious art for serious adults as well.

There are tons of anime that can be used as a rebuttal. Just because trash exists doesn't invalidate an entire medium.

It's like saying all of SciFi is ruined, because there is porn of Flash Gordon.

I honestly enjoyed this episode and the only thing I found wrong with it was the pacing of how events happened. My wife and I watched it together from start to finish and both of us didn't find the scene at the end in the prison disturbing at all because of the earlier scenes with the Norma mother and child. Ange's arrogance and the general treat of Norma's by her and her society made the last scenes in the prison easy to watch.

Ange got what few anime characters get nowadays, a swift ass kicking change of perspective and it's refreshing to see sunrise pull off the kid gloves with a main character. The only thing I dont like is how they kind of just powered through everything so quickly in this episode, it built up some of the world but I would have liked more time seeing more of it.

The ANN reviewers I feel should have taken some time before writing their reviews of the 1st episode because most of them seem to be writing more about how uncomfortable with some of the content then about characters, animation quality, soundtrack, etc etc. I myself wouldnt give the first episode more then 3/5 because it sets up an interesting scenario but we have yet to see how well they make use of it.

I can kinda get where the rage for Cross Ange is coming from, but I still think some of these complaints are going to major extremes. As has been stated, there was no rape, and though there was plenty of fanservice, it's pretty obvious what the first episode is setting the rest of the show up to be: taking the lead down from the top to rock bottom so she can work her way up to a new life and new future.

While it may not always be the best test of things, I do like to wonder what reactions would be like if the genders were reversed, and in this case, I'm pretty sure no one would give two shits if Ange were a man (at least about the sexist parts; the rest I'm sure would still make some uncomfortable).

A lot of people like to jump the gun to call something misogynist and say the writer must hate women, and I'm pretty sure that's happening here. Yeah, there was fanservice. Yeah, there was violence/torture. If you want to dispose it as fanservice trash, I won't disagree for a moment, but keep your criticisms in check for the time being.

And I'm not saying I'm a fan or love it or anything. I'm very doubtful that it will turn out to be good (anime like this almost never does), but I'm giving it a chance. Who knows? Maybe I'm just desensitized.

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