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Jenchan03



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I approve of the final question =]
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walw6pK4Alo



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Interesting tidbit on the producers and makers of anime towards fansubs. Even if we did buy more, they probably wouldn't get paid more simply because of how their businesses are structured.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:33 am Reply with quote
I think it's more of a lack of knowledge more than anything. When you have someone who doesn't know what an e-mail is, it be reasonable to assume they wouldn't know what a fansub is. See it's like Funimation with Kodocha, the Japanese market it might've done well, but here not so much.
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So, first you have to convince Japanese producers that DVD is dead in North America and Europe.

A bit extreme, don't you think? I was under the assumption DVD sales were the intended result of choosing to stream many shows.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:55 am Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
Interesting tidbit on the producers and makers of anime towards fansubs. Even if we did buy more, they probably wouldn't get paid more simply because of how their businesses are structured.

Good point. Someone should start a donation drive for those guys...
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Zin5ki wrote:
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So, first you have to convince Japanese producers that DVD is dead in North America and Europe.

A bit extreme, don't you think? I was under the assumption DVD sales were the intended result of choosing to stream many shows.


Yeah I think that is a little extreme to as how do you get new fans with a stream only model, it would have to be a word of mouth, as opposed to something aired on TV and walk in and see a DVD of it at say Wal-Mart or Target.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:04 am Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
Interesting tidbit on the producers and makers of anime towards fansubs. Even if we did buy more, they probably wouldn't get paid more simply because of how their businesses are structured.


Heh, maybe next it should be called "The Exploitation of Anime Studios by their Rich Masters, er, I mean Sponsors." Laughing


Roland Kelts wrote:

So, first you have to convince Japanese producers that DVD is dead in North America and Europe. Second, you have to convince them that Internet distribution is the only possible profit model. And third, you need to find a way to actually accrue profits from streaming or downloadable formats. I admit: that's a formidable three-step program, since no one seems to know how to accomplish step 3 (profiting from Internet distribution). Fortunately, it's not my job, at least not directly.


Follow these steps:

1.) Convince Japanese slaves, er, producers
2.) ?
3.) Profit!

It's so simple, Kelts! Laughing


BTW, a few years ago, there was an animator from Blue Sky Studio (of Ice Age fame) who moved to Japan to work for Production IG - Justin Leach.

But of course, Jan Scott Frazier beat him there by a decade. Very Happy


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Ai no Kareshi



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:51 am Reply with quote
A very interesting read. Thank you. Very Happy

I can sympathize with Western animators because they have to face both the bias of "cartoons are for kids" and "anything from Japan is better". Personally, I try to keep an open mind about it.

It's just that hardly anything from American shores manages to grab my interest. I'm sure the quality of the animation is as good as or even superior to what comes from Japan, but if the actual content isn't aesthetically pleasing to me then it won't impress me much. Of course, the plethora of throwaway CG films from Disney/Pixar doesn't exactly aid their cause. Maybe I haven't been exposed to enough 2D Western animation, but frankly I'm not gonna go out of my way to look for something that I might like when I already have anime to cover that.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:27 am Reply with quote
I hope DVDs aren't dead! I like to own DVDs. I've even purchased all of Clannad, Dennou Coil, the second half of Full Moon o Sagashite and various OVAs at Japanese prices, and am working on completing Hitohira.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:51 am Reply with quote
PingSoni wrote:
I hope DVDs aren't dead! I like to own DVDs. I've even purchased all of Clannad, Dennou Coil, the second half of Full Moon o Sagashite and various OVAs at Japanese prices, and am working on completing Hitohira.


I don't believe that DVD is dead, however IMO it is not the most striving entertainment medium at the moment. Streaming is nice to view episodes of a certain show any where in a country at any time if you don't have the physical media (DVD, VHS, etc) with you. However considering how consumerism this country is, physical entertainment mediums (such as DVD's) won't go away just yet, since many people including myself like to have a physical possession of something.
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Zin5ki wrote:
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So, first you have to convince Japanese producers that DVD is dead in North America and Europe.

A bit extreme, don't you think? I was under the assumption DVD sales were the intended result of choosing to stream many shows.


I agree, that is an extreme measure to take. The idea that DVDs (or Blu-Ray, if it ever gets around to taking over as the new format) will eventually die is somewhat absurd. There will probably always be plenty of those who want the genuine product and/or have a "collection" desire to keep the product alive, even if we go back to earlier times where there were only a few series being released each year. If R1 anime ever did end DVD releases and moved to "legal stream/download-only", my viewing would drop tremendously (though at least it would give me time to catch up on older titles I've missed, but I'd rather not take this approach obviously).

Of course, as he said, the Japanese generally just don't have time to pay attention to our situation, so "DVDs are dead" comments would probably go in one ear and out the other. So this is a case where their inattention might be a good thing! May DVDs live on! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:01 am Reply with quote
I think people are OK with streaming anime because most of it is 2D, and there isn't that much loss of quality. I often watch the Simpsons through webstreams, and I don't mind at all.

I was under the impression that a major source of revenue for anime is merchandising. Even if anime is paid for through services like crunchyroll.com, don't American fans need to have easy access to the merchandise in order to really feed money into the anime houses?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:15 am Reply with quote
This was a rather interesting read, touched some differences between American anime fans and Japanese anime fans I've been thinking about lately.
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LordPrometheus





PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:27 am Reply with quote
For those of you here who haven't read Mr. Kelts' book, it is a fascinating read. I highly recommend it. He offers a wealth of insight into the crossover of Japanese/American otaku culture.

Excellent column this week, ladies. It was both intelligent and informative. Good job. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:46 am Reply with quote
No wonder sometimes I feel quite isolated and lonely at ANN. Although we don't have such hard lines between business lives and personal lives (for those who want to learn more, search for honne and tatemae), the local fandom subculture is much more similar to the Japanese one.

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Roland: Japanese cosplayers tend to be semi-professionals with exquisite costumes—who spend most of their time quietly posting for otaku with huge cameras. It's much less a communal celebration, as it is in the US, and more of a carefully calibrated theatrical display.

Indeed. This also explains why I got bashed pretty severely in a thread here when I made fun of some American cosplayers. Anime catgrin + sweatdrop

Not to mention those awful photography skills. And my S100FS + PE-36S is far from huge.
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